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08 February 2011 @ 09:26 pm
RANT Why be mean?  

It seems my journal is starting to get some notoriety for its manips, which, as many of you know, is often a double-edged sword of splendour and if-you-have-nothing-nice-to-say,-say-nothing frustration. While the support and encouragement I receive from so many makes me want to create more and more, the non-constructive, look-at-this-isn’t-it-silly styled reactions confuse me. Not because I only hope to impress with my work, but moreso because these knee-jerk reactions seem to miss the point of slash (as I see it) and make difficult workshop-like confidence in sharing new work (to be clear, I love and appreciate constructive criticism). Based on recent ‘feedback’ (not posted on this journal), I should clarify the following: I’m not a slash writer, I spend all my time building manips, and write a brief ficlet before I post to accompany, colour and position the image within the ongoing narrative I’m telling (if you only look at one section from the middle of an ongoing series, of course it’s going to feel incomplete). I would advise those not interested in my images to turn to the many other fabulous writers out there crafting narratives. Further, on the acts of sex themselves, as a lover of the radical and uninhabited potential of slash, I hope the desire to create ‘faithful fanfiction’ (a notion used to critique slash in its infancy) doesn’t result in an homogenisation of a practice that, for me, has always been about the disruption of assumptions and of sameness. I say this because criticism I’ve received suggesting that, despite being an active and openly gay male, I know nothing of the mechanics of gay sex confuses me. Trust me, I know plenty. This probably comes from an assumption that I am female (which is silly as well because all of the women I know also seem to know plenty about gay sex, especially slash writers), but I will clarify all the same. As I have said many times, my work portrays the fantastic, and is always about more than realism and much more than only porn. That is, I don’t only want to turn people on, I want to tell a story.

Sorry about this post, had to get it out of my system. That a slash writer would make a post that links to my work, makes fun of it and encourages others to make fun of it through comments, is very mean. I will never understand why people belittle something another person has worked hard on, let alone people within the slash community.

Current Location: Sydney, Australia
Current Mood: annoyedannoyed
usmc75 on February 8th, 2011 10:36 am (UTC)
Screw them. I really mean it. I have been said that my gay scenes were obviously written by a girl who has seen too many gay porn movies. When I tell them I am a guy and the sex scene I am writing I participated in they say I am lying to gain...wait for it...

Gay street cred

So represent my queeny brother! We are here in the 96 waiting for the flip side for our posse to show up and we can all have imaginary sex because we all know female slash writers, know EVERYTHING about gay sex. EVERYTHING. Just ask em.

(tapps chest twice) Street cred
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:15 am (UTC)
I really appreciate that, and I know that it happens to the best of us, which is what's so annoying. We're obviously all doing it because we love it, and sure, what we create is not for everyone (that would just be boring), but why be so mean about it?

It is pretty funny though, especially the suggestion that we know nothing about gay sex ... I'll have to do more research then, hehe.
wincestuouslove on February 8th, 2011 11:56 am (UTC)
I realize that some people are always mean, angry and jealous. They're so pathetic. Don't mind them. You know we like your stuff so keep going.

I know I'm silly but I didn't know you're a male. (What? oyu never tell me :D)
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 03:08 pm (UTC)
Hehe, that's OK, the point is that it doesn't matter either way, and it doesn't change how you see my work, so thank you.

Thanks for the support, it's much appreciated.
kolman8 on February 8th, 2011 12:00 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry this happened to you.

I don't like the big assumption of "slash writers are women." I'm pretty sure gay men can write and enjoy gay porn too.
And although I am still a virgin, I think I have a better understanding of gay sex than the majority of straight women. And I know what I like.

Also, props for doing stuff you like because you like it. I enjoy your work too.
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 03:11 pm (UTC)
Thank you, of course we can, and of course we know what gay sex is all about. I will continue doing what I like, and largely because I have people like you supporting me, so thanks.
penniebrown on February 8th, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
I call that treatment bullshit.

To get everyone's attention for the sole purpose of belittling your work, I'm sorry, but that's just really low, especially for a fellow fan. I have no idea how some people can stoop to that level of haughtiness. It's these kinds of people especially, who make me feel ashamed for being a female slash fan. Reading excessive amounts of gay porn on the internet doesn't make us any more entitled to knowing the end-all of gay sex. Honestly, some people should get off their high horse, take a good look at themselves, and have some decency.

I'm sorry, it must be really frustrating to be on the receiving of such close-mindedness that can trap certain people within a fandom inside this box. :((
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
That's what annoyed me, that they made an entire post dedicated to the belittling of my work.

Thank you for what you said, it makes me feel a lot better (because it was upsetting), and I now feel much more confident to continue creating, in fact, my next manip will be a Merlin one.
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tomboytoy on February 8th, 2011 05:04 pm (UTC)
As usmc75 wrote: Screw them!! Screw them hard!!

From what I know and experienced, people only try to take you down or talk badly about you only when they think that you may represent a threat to them (who they are or what they do).

So them telling you that you know nothing about gay sex is, I think, their way to reassure themselves about their own work and knowledge (cause let's face it it's obvious that everyone loves the same thing and is sensitive to the same thing as well cause the human body isn't a mystery at all *insert irony here*). Now be confident about your work, it's great and greatly appreciated by a lot of people.

Now, tell me who they are that I kick their asses!!

*huge conforting hugs*
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks Tom, you always know just what to say. I really should just ignore things like this, but it's particularly difficult when people attack something you do in your free time, which I suppose is why it confuses me when people are unnecessarily cruel.

Question: your manips are exclusively friends only aren't they? Maybe that's something I need to think about, even though I don't want to, because I enjoy posting to communities.

*big hugs back*
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wirrrn on February 8th, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)

Yeah, lots of people look down on slash. I say fuck them. Do what makes you happy.

I've been assumed to be female before, because I write slash...

btw- have you seen any of the new V?! I could get behind some Joe (Nicholas Lea) and Joshua (Mark Hildreth) manips :hint: :)
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
Thanks Gav, and you're right.

Haven't seen the new V, but will definitely check it out.
arcadianmaggie on February 8th, 2011 06:05 pm (UTC)
I think it's because some people are assholes.

*nods head*
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
Hehe, me thinks you're right, thanks for the support.
starry_nights88 on February 8th, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)

Sometimes this is why I hate fandom. I mean it clearly states in your journal that you're a manipper, not a writer. >>

I just...I want to punch this person in the face because it obvious that you're mad talented in what you do.

And I find it laughable that someone critized your gay love scene. I mean, I'm one of those girls that write slash and can only use my little het girl imagination so I expect that sort of thing...but, to have someone attack a gay man over it...

*shakes head*

It's stuff like this that sometimes makes me wonder while I'm still writing.
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks Starry, it's frustrating, but I just need to remember that there are those (like you) who appreciate my work, and keep in mind the reason I create the manips in the first place, which is for the enjoyment of friends (like you), would-be friends and myself.

It's no less frustrating however.
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dont_hate_me01 on February 8th, 2011 08:49 pm (UTC)
We've got a saying on this side of the world - 'Jealousy makes you nasty.'

There is one thing I don't understand. If you come across a site/journal entry/community and you don't like what you see then just don't go back there, forget about it and move on!

I hate it when people get childish and try to hurt another, it's just not right. The fact that a link was created to your entries, that's just nasty, but you know what? On the other hand? It means they can't get enough and are just to freaking scared to admit they like what they see, so really, with no respect to any of them - screw them!

You just keep on making your wonderful manips, because in all honesty - you're the best. I love your work - will always love it! Can't WAIT for the next manip!
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks Leonie, I really appreciate that. It makes me want to start work on another manip. Thank you for being such a wonderful support.
nicci_mac on February 8th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, there are always mean people out there who enjoy trying to make people feel like the effort and hard work is useless. I've been on the receiving end of such, and many of my friends have too. It smarts, but we just have to 'man' up and move on. LOL. That which does not kills us ...

I love that you are open to constructive crit. I was worried the first time I offered it to you because so many people cant take it, and dont want it. I have always welcomed it myself, for without it, how am I to improve my art?

Concirt, however, is a whole hell of a different thing from what has happened to you. You admit you are not a slash writer, and that the narrative is there only to help anchor the image, but even so, your narratives are better than the work put out by some so called slash writers. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Often gay guys look for something different in manips than straight women do. Lots of women dislike the full on sex scenes in manips (but are happy to read same!) where guys just love to see the slap, slip, slap! LOL. But that's by no means a generalisation. Plenty women like it too. And plenty men prefer more romantic, not explicit manips. I guess what I am trying to say, rather inelegantly, is that you cant please all of the people, all of the time, so dont even try.
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks Nicci, like you I love constructive crit, I am so grateful for the feedback you gave me when I started out, it really improved my work.

I think you're right about the (broadly speaking) divide between what male and female readers typically enjoy in a manip, and you're right that I need to remind myself that not everyone is going to like my work, and those who don't and choose to be non-constructively critical about it, I should choose to ignore in return.

Thanks for your nice words, my next manip is a Merlin/Arthur, so hopefully you'll enjoy it when it's posted.
gestaltrose on February 8th, 2011 09:50 pm (UTC)

Seems kinda stupid to put someone down. It takes courage to post anything and while I may not like everything I see I do happen to have a back button on my browser. *facepalm*

chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks Rose, I appreciate the comment and the support.
vodou_blue on February 8th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
I don’t understand the entertainment value of being mean either. I’m of the ‘if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all’ camp.

And btw? I like your stuff! If I only wanted the same thing as everybody else’s fan-creation, I’d just go read/view the same handful of fic/manips over and over. I like that you’re doing little ficlets to accompany manips, and that it’s an ongoing story. That’s different and cool!

I hope you will choose to ignore the ugly little trolls and keep making/sharing your cool stuff.
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:35 pm (UTC)
Thank you, that's really nice of you to say. And I will ignore the nasties and continue to create what I love, which is much easier to do considering I have people as supportive as you around.
unatral_kreatur on February 8th, 2011 10:59 pm (UTC)
I chuckle cuz I can relate, the whole gay male thing. It's not uncommon to be assumed to be a woman on lj if you create slash... So shouldn't that already suggest a wellspring of homoerotic knowledge if we're using the status quo?

I appreciate your splendid stuff and remind you; people suck. Not in a good way most of the time!
It's a shame to hear something so immature...

<3 Maxx
chewableprose on February 8th, 2011 11:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks Maxx, it is pretty funny actually. And thank you for your nice words, I think your work is splendid also.
mythagowood on February 10th, 2011 02:21 am (UTC)
Dude, I totally understand what you mean, how you feel and where you're coming from. I've been here (in this position) for a long time. You're fantastic and awesome and all that gooey coolness all wrapped up in one sexy person. The only way I keep sane when the shit get's deep is to laugh at them. The fact that they are openly and blatantly directing negativity towards you is because they are either afraid, jealous or feel threatened. In some cases it can be all of those things. Consider that a huge compliment. To illicit a reaction that drives someone into action (be it good or bad) is a powerful ability. And with great power comes... yeah... I'm going there.... great responsibility.

You've got their attention, now fuck with it. ;)
chewableprose on February 10th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Thanks Mythago, I really appreciate that, especially knowing how horrible some people are when it comes to your incredible art. I suppose it gets easier to disregard the meanness as time goes on.
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natbil on February 11th, 2011 12:32 am (UTC)
Hey man, you do a great and beautiful work here. Don't bother with those jealous assholes ::hug::
chewableprose on February 11th, 2011 05:06 am (UTC)
Thanks so much, I really appreciate that.